<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?><!-- generator=Zoho Sites --><rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"><channel><atom:link href="https://www.muffsy.com/blogs/tag/thd/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><title>Muffsy Phono Kits - Articles #thd</title><description>Muffsy Phono Kits - Articles #thd</description><link>https://www.muffsy.com/blogs/tag/thd</link><lastBuildDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2024 09:34:17 -0700</lastBuildDate><generator>http://zoho.com/sites/</generator><item><title><![CDATA[Measuring the Burson V6 Discrete Op Amps - Part 3: V6 Classic - THD]]></title><link>https://www.muffsy.com/blogs/post/Measuring-the-Burson-V6-Discrete-Op-Amps-Part-3-V6-Classic-THD</link><description><![CDATA[<img align="left" hspace="5" src="https://www.muffsy.com/files/24527451998_f91774b83c_k.jpg"/>Background To see if the Burson V6 operational amplifiers are viable in the Muffsy Phono Preamp, I went ahead and bought the dual version of both the V ]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="zpcontent-container blogpost-container "><div data-element-id="elm_JH4SO8OpT7C3xYnFmVYhXw" data-element-type="section" class="zpsection "><style type="text/css"></style><div class="zpcontainer"><div data-element-id="elm_4NG1I1_JQzGQbyLjb_uaDw" data-element-type="row" class="zprow zpalign-items- zpjustify-content- "><style type="text/css"></style><div data-element-id="elm_i4Lr4fO0SnCgoulJnauXaw" data-element-type="column" class="zpelem-col zpcol-12 zpcol-md-12 zpcol-sm-12 zpalign-self- "><style type="text/css"></style><div data-element-id="elm_UrIl9xExQsmlgoVN2cSPRg" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><h2>Background</h2></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_ipnAIPjXTW6IxiYPCWNWxQ" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>To see if the Burson V6 operational amplifiers are viable in the Muffsy Phono Preamp, I went ahead and bought the dual version of both the V6 Classic and V6 Vivid <b><font size="1">(*)</font></b>. They don't come cheap, about 20x the price of an OPA2134. Getting two of these instead of 40 OPAs for my kit stock was quite a difficult decision...</p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_cIpeClD7TE-_QSHJkcbr0Q" data-element-type="image" class="zpelement zpelem-image "><style></style><div data-caption-color="" data-size-tablet="" data-size-mobile="" data-align="" data-tablet-image-separate="" data-mobile-image-separate="" class="zpimage-container zpimage-align- zpimage-size-original zpimage-tablet-fallback-original zpimage-mobile-fallback-original hb-lightbox " data-lightbox-options="
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                theme:dark"><figure class="zpimage-data-ref"><a class="zpimage-anchor" style="cursor:pointer;" href="javascript:;"><picture><img class="zpimage zpimage-style-none zpimage-space-none " src="/files/24527451998_f91774b83c_k.jpg" size="original" alt="The Burson V6 Classic and Vivid (dual op amps)" title="The Burson V6 Classic and Vivid (dual op amps)" data-lightbox="true"/></picture></a><figcaption class="zpimage-caption zpimage-caption-align-center"><span class="zpimage-caption-content">The Burson V6 Classic and Vivid (dual op amps)</span></figcaption></figure></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_EPgPByxRTTetTH5Qp6tzwQ" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p style="text-align:center;"><i>The op amps from Burson were delivered with cable ties. I have not been able to figure out why... ;)</i></p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_oBO6-ctKS1Oy4cO-Hds4fg" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>I have both feet firmly planted in the objective side of things, so I decided to get the Burson's to do some measurements. I did listen to them in the gain stage of <a alt="my headphone amp" href="https://www.muffsy.com/blogs/post/Side-Project-Nwavguys-O2-Headphone-Amplifier/" target="_blank" title="my headphone amp">my headphone amp</a>, comparing them with both NJM2068 and LM4562. They sounded pretty damn good (as in more or less indistinguishable from the others) in that scenario (both 2.5 and 6.5X gain), so I really don't feel fooled or anything. This seems to be a proper product.</p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_RgDmGrnFT3-qSfgQiMEdNg" data-element-type="image" class="zpelement zpelem-image "><style></style><div data-caption-color="" data-size-tablet="" data-size-mobile="" data-align="" data-tablet-image-separate="" data-mobile-image-separate="" class="zpimage-container zpimage-align- zpimage-size-original zpimage-tablet-fallback-original zpimage-mobile-fallback-original hb-lightbox " data-lightbox-options="
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                theme:dark"><figure class="zpimage-data-ref"><a class="zpimage-anchor" style="cursor:pointer;" href="javascript:;"><picture><img class="zpimage zpimage-style-none zpimage-space-none " src="/files/38343050616_8452fd92f8_k.jpg" size="original" alt="The Burson V6 Classic in NwAvGuy's Objective2 headphone amp" title="The Burson V6 Classic in NwAvGuy's Objective2 headphone amp" data-lightbox="true"/></picture></a><figcaption class="zpimage-caption zpimage-caption-align-center"><span class="zpimage-caption-content">The Burson V6 Classic in NwAvGuy's Objective2 headphone amp. A tower of DIL sockets were required to make the op amp fit.</span></figcaption></figure></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_Xs-kliGCRHWJygOjUPz9zQ" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>JFET inputs are best suited for moving magnet cartridges. The Bursons do have JFET inputs. I would like my op amps to be able to run on +/-15 volts. The Bursons handle up to +/- 16.5 volts. The basics are covered, let's see what they're capable of.</p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_0Z9VSDpfSDK6vA5NJX_odA" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p><font size="1"><b>(*) </b>Yes, I did buy them myself. They were not given to me by Burson.</font></p></div></div>
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</div><div data-element-id="elm_gNAR4mgRTZym079XxnyL7w" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><h2>Preparations</h2></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_DZzk105zTKmJ8FOxNig9Sg" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>In my quest to measure the Burson V6 discrete operational amplifiers, I've established the <a alt="measurement baseline" href="https://www.muffsy.com/blogs/post/Measuring-the-Burson-V6-Discrete-Op-Amps-Part-1-Baseline/" target="_blank" title="measurement baseline">measurement baseline</a> and used the <a alt="OPA2134 as reference" href="https://www.muffsy.com/blogs/post/Measuring-the-Burson-V6-Discrete-Op-Amps-Part-2-OPA2134/" target="_blank" title="OPA2134 as reference">OPA2134 as reference</a>. </p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_fJK7chIHRmCgoU6AIdn3xA" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>I'll start with the Burson V6 Classic, and <span>I'll have to visit the Burson V6 Vivid later. The V6 Vivid that I received appears to be defective. Burson kindly agreed to send me a new one.</span></p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_6WK8H_ITTKimFL5AiwsC5g" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>I have shown that I can measure THD down to -118.7 dB / <span> 0.00012%, Here's how the Burson V6 Classic fares.</span></p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_xH9CZfePS1C6498i_01z3Q" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>The op amp is placed in a test rig with 1.36 dB gain. There is no filtering circuitry in the test rig. The output signal is -10.33 dBV, which is the level at which my audio analyzer performs the best.</p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_bKHU0B4NRfmonEMGB4-PsQ" data-element-type="image" class="zpelement zpelem-image "><style></style><div data-caption-color="" data-size-tablet="" data-size-mobile="" data-align="" data-tablet-image-separate="" data-mobile-image-separate="" class="zpimage-container zpimage-align- zpimage-size-original zpimage-tablet-fallback-original zpimage-mobile-fallback-original hb-lightbox " data-lightbox-options="
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                theme:dark"><figure class="zpimage-data-ref"><a class="zpimage-anchor" style="cursor:pointer;" href="javascript:;"><picture><img class="zpimage zpimage-style-none zpimage-space-none " src="/files/20171128_143125.jpg" size="original" alt="Op amp test rig" title="Op amp test rig" data-lightbox="true"/></picture></a><figcaption class="zpimage-caption zpimage-caption-align-center"><span class="zpimage-caption-content">Op amp test rig</span></figcaption></figure></div>
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                theme:dark"><figure class="zpimage-data-ref"><a class="zpimage-anchor" style="cursor:pointer;" href="javascript:;"><picture><img class="zpimage zpimage-style-none zpimage-space-none " src="/files/testrig.png" size="original" alt="Op amp test rig - Schematic" title="Op amp test rig - Schematic" data-lightbox="true"/></picture></a><figcaption class="zpimage-caption zpimage-caption-align-center"><span class="zpimage-caption-content">Op amp test rig - Schematic</span></figcaption></figure></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_SKR0MFctTlic2lC191GrXA" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p><i>NOTE: I have reduced the input impedance from 33k to 511 ohms, and updated the measurements. A man's gotta do </i>something<i> with those Tesla TR161 precision resistors...</i></p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_nIqtuQ-jS0OwDiCeGU7dcw" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>The plastic around the Bursons gets comfortably warm (not hot, but they would be perfect for warming my hands now that it's winter), and they need a minute or so to warm up before the measurements stabilize. This is taken into account when performing the measurement below.</p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_to-PlU5RR9qrQgTRRBeXMQ" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><h2>THD Measurements</h2></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_ZpVD-XuATcuSBwezrUw-6g" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p><a alt="Click here for a high resolution image of the measurement." href="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4567/38668054792_167933d49c_o.png" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="Click here for a high resolution image of the measurement.">Click here for a high resolution image of the measurement.</a></p></div></div>
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                type:fullscreen,
                theme:dark"><figure class="zpimage-data-ref"><a class="zpimage-anchor" style="cursor:pointer;" href="javascript:;"><picture><img class="zpimage zpimage-style-none zpimage-space-none " src="/files/Classic-1kHz-1.36dB-2.png" size="original" alt="Burson V6 Classic - THD" title="Burson V6 Classic - THD" data-lightbox="true"/></picture></a><figcaption class="zpimage-caption zpimage-caption-align-center"><span class="zpimage-caption-content">Burson V6 Classic - THD</span></figcaption></figure></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_geqxtd-2Tv279be4LSeHJA" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>As it turns out, the V6 Classic is within the measurement limits of my QA401 with about 1.5 dB to spare. The THD shows up at -117.1 dB / 0.00014 %. The noise below 1 kHz shows up in this graph as well, showing that the Burson doesn't have the same noise rejection as the OPA2134.</p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_bWJ-RNpfQ-aecCSQNcs2Cw" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>While the OPA2134 performed beyond the abilities of the audio analyzer, the Burson didn't. This shows that the V6 Classic can't compete with the OPA2134 when it comes to THD at low gain. Still, this is pretty respectable. </p><p><br></p><p><i>Based on the THD alone</i>, they should be virtually indistinguishable from most &quot;normal&quot; op amps in the gain stage of a DAC, headphone amp, CD player and similar line level equipment. I won't be testing their output capabilities, but they're probably not suited for output directly to a headphone (and neither are more than 99% of the IC op amps).</p></div></div>
</div></div></div></div></div></div> ]]></content:encoded><pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:03:28 +0100</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Real Noise Measurements - Muffsy Phono Preamp]]></title><link>https://www.muffsy.com/blogs/post/Real-Noise-Measurements-Muffsy-Phono-Preamp</link><description><![CDATA[The previous blog post showed some noise measurements using a USB sound card. I just received a QuantAsylum QA400 audio analyzer ( link ), and got to do ]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="zpcontent-container blogpost-container "><div data-element-id="elm_yJhcPN7uR2SwYA0tJV3fBA" data-element-type="section" class="zpsection "><style type="text/css"></style><div class="zpcontainer"><div data-element-id="elm_vYBPF30bRoqa39NFBK9UNw" data-element-type="row" class="zprow zpalign-items- zpjustify-content- "><style type="text/css"></style><div data-element-id="elm_eXonBYZlTfiWbQiwdigWUQ" data-element-type="column" class="zpelem-col zpcol-12 zpcol-md-12 zpcol-sm-12 zpalign-self- "><style type="text/css"></style><div data-element-id="elm_F-DNlAO6RYGyx88I0hu59g" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>The previous blog post showed some noise measurements using a USB sound card. I just received a QuantAsylum QA400 audio analyzer (<a alt="link" href="http://www.quantasylum.com/content/Products/QA400.aspx" target="_blank" title="link">link</a>), and got to do some real measurements.</p><p><br></p><p>The full Muffsy Phono Preamp specifications are as follows (using the Muffsy PSU, OPA2134 and the components that ship with the kit):</p><p><br></p><blockquote><li><font face="Lato" size="3"><span style="font-weight:700;">THD:</span> 0.00190%</font></li><li><font face="Lato" size="3"><span style="font-weight:700;">THD+N:</span> 0.01013%</font></li><li><font face="Lato" size="3"><span style="font-weight:700;">SNR:</span> 112.83 dB (Shorted inputs, relative to 1 Vrms/0 dBV)</font></li><li><font face="Lato" size="3"><span style="font-weight:700;">IMD:</span> 0.0195% (ITU-R, 19+20 kHz)</font></li><li><font face="Lato" size="3"><span><b>Crosstalk:</b><span> -102.24 dB</span></span><br></font></li><li><font face="Lato" size="3"><span style="font-weight:700;">Dynamic Range:</span> &gt;110 dB (THD+N: 1%)</font></li><li><font face="Lato" size="3"><span style="font-weight:700;">RIAA Compliance:</span> +/- 0.025 dB</font></li><li><font face="Lato" size="3"><span style="font-weight:700;">RIAA Equalization:</span> Passive</font></li><li><font face="Lato" size="3"><span style="font-weight:700;">Gain:</span> 36-46 dB in four steps</font></li><li><font face="Lato" size="3"><span style="font-weight:700;">Input Impedance:</span> 17k-150k ohm in fifteen steps</font></li><li><font face="Lato" size="3"><span style="font-weight:700;">Input Capacitance:</span> Optional (space for capacitors on the PCB)</font></li></blockquote><p></p></div></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_V9MhShOLQlOweZOcScaUnQ" data-element-type="image" class="zpelement zpelem-image "><style></style><div data-caption-color="" data-size-tablet="" data-size-mobile="" data-align="left" data-tablet-image-separate="" data-mobile-image-separate="" class="zpimage-container zpimage-align-left zpimage-size-original zpimage-tablet-fallback-original zpimage-mobile-fallback-original hb-lightbox " data-lightbox-options="
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                theme:dark"><figure class="zpimage-data-ref"><a class="zpimage-anchor" style="cursor:pointer;" href="javascript:;"><picture><img class="zpimage zpimage-style-none zpimage-space-none " src="/files/PP3-log-100db.png" size="original" alt="Muffsy Phono Preamp - Noise Measurements" title="Muffsy Phono Preamp - Noise Measurements" data-lightbox="true"/></picture></a><figcaption class="zpimage-caption zpimage-caption-align-center"><span class="zpimage-caption-content"></span></figcaption></figure></div>
</div><div data-element-id="elm_mYTvgow4TLWOxQqmXaUEsQ" data-element-type="text" class="zpelement zpelem-text "><style></style><div class="zptext zptext-align- " data-editor="true"><div><p>The measurements were done at 1 kHz, and an output of 1 Vrms. This is an achievable output from the Muffsy Phono Preamp, others get tens of dB &quot;for free&quot; by measuring at 3 Vrms when the actual output from their device is 0.3 volts.</p><p><br></p><p>As the RIAA filter removes higher frequencies, I thought it fair to set the bandwidth at 10 to 20.000 Hz.</p><p><br></p><p>The Signal-to-Noise ratio is measured with shorted inputs, relative to the 1 Vrms signal. The actual dynamic range (where the THD+N is 1%) couldn't be measured, as my audio analyzer starts clipping at the level where the THD+N has increased to 0.02 dB.</p><p><br></p><p>Also note, these measurements are made at 1 kHz. To reliably measure across the whole bandwidth, I would need a high quality inverse RIAA equalizer. The linearity of quality audio opamps is well established in all but the most poorly laid out circuits though.</p><p><br></p><p>Finally, my test setup is not optimal. There are two LED light bulbs nearby, the boards are lying bare on my desk and the power cable runs across the low level input. These numbers are most likely quite conservative...</p></div></div>
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